Curse

Faith Angelis · Jan 07, 2007, 11:02 AM // 11:02

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

Your whole reply is based on the assumption that he uses runners.

Not so, I mentioned runners because CagedinSanity says:

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Originally Posted by Cagedinsanity

I never found any runners that were all "running to next mission area" or anything like that, sO i never found out where to go.

To repeat my main point: If you don't finish the story, you won't understand it. Please tell me what that's got to do with runners?

KESKI · Jan 07, 2007, 11:07 AM // 11:07

These are the thoughts and chat I got when I played all 3
Prophecies:
end-game: "so....what happen to Ascalon?? I know the king is an old fool, the land is wasted, and people are lazy(camping for 2 years...in capital...come on, even at war you should had rebuild some buildings in your capital), but that is my home land right?? Now that I am king of the world, and totaly owns...shouldnt something be done about the chaos there??"
(there wasnt any after story mission then...both titan mission and sf come later)

Faction
almost end game: "wait...so you can kill master Togo and get the same result?? so why bother invaded the palace?? And what is with the desire of be rez again?? Other then scoring girls you seems to be just fine...and trust me, with that face and that tamper, it wont matter if you are dead or alive"

Nightfall
about 1/4 way: "WTH... did the only important paragon npc just drop dead.....I can only imagine my future as a paragon now"(It realy look like the hunger was feeding on Komir>.>...I thought she was a goner)
End Game: "So...after almost 5+ years of fighting evil, all this dedication, ascend myself, become closer to the star, and actualy beat a god....she is the one became a god?? ....evil thy name is Komir"

But over all the storyline of GW arent bad.

ElinoraNeSangre · Jan 07, 2007, 03:39 PM // 15:39

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Originally Posted by KESKI

End Game: "So...after almost 5+ years of fighting evil, all this dedication, ascend myself, become closer to the star, and actualy beat a god....she is the one became a god?? ....evil thy name is Komir"

That's almost exactly what my stepson had to say about it.

Overall, I actually agree a lot with the original poster. And I still <3 Factions (I went out with Eli and heroes to Echovald the other night and dude, I still love that place).

CagedinSanity · Jan 07, 2007, 04:25 PM // 16:25

Oh, sorry. I did do the dragons lair mission. My memory of how far I went is a little shady, it was after the dragon lair mission i got really confused and bored.
I was thinking about making another character for prophecies only, but I would have to muddle through the boredom to get to the good parts first, and that's just.. not.. cool.

I do have a dervish I think would rock in it though. I'm at LA, where do I go from there to get to a mission?

KESKI: Yes, overall the storylines aren't too god aweful.

But why does everyone just forget about rurik and take orders from the mantle, and hell, even almost JOIN them? We're ascalonians, damnit.

ca_aok · Jan 07, 2007, 04:54 PM // 16:54

Prophecies had a good story with a couple of twists, and in general the missions were fun and well designed (except for some of those boring jungle missions... but you can always get run to Sanctum Cay).

Factions, on the other hand, was crap (PvE wise). The story was the most clichéd thing ever, and some of the missions made me want to cry with their horrible storyline and rediculous dialogue (see: Tahnnakai Temple). Also, you're going through the game at breakneck speed, and then suddenly BAM, you get to the befriending quests, and have to sit there and play 10-20 ABs or do a bunch of menial quests for faction. The city atmosphere is boring, and it makes looking at your map for directions a pain, since you often cant see paths through the cityscape. Finally, it's filled with noob assassins who see to think being a A/Mo with mending makes them a tank.

Nightfall was quite good, although what I didn't like was when the story came to a halt and you had to grind sunspear points to continue. The 2 professions introduced were both strong and useful additions to a team, whereas most teams can survive without an assassin, and many without a rit.

Also, prophecies and nightfall have the best skills, both elite and non-elite.

CagedinSanity · Jan 07, 2007, 05:03 PM // 17:03

Oh: I didn't get runs around the campaign. I watched the stuff.

On Grinding:
I didn't find it very difficult to grind for sunspear points, it was a little annoying at the second spear thing, but on the mainland when you had to get to general... At 4 SS points a kill, getting to 2500 really isn't that difficult.

Deleet · Jan 07, 2007, 05:29 PM // 17:29

You fail at one thing with Prophecies.

Who said you need a main enemy/antagonist? It's not all black/white, most of the world is grey scales.

CagedinSanity · Jan 07, 2007, 07:43 PM // 19:43

Without a main enemy, there's no point in reading, watching, or playing a story. Without an enemy, the story doesn't flow and it just turns out to be pointless.

Now, Prophecies do have enemies, but way too many in way too many different situations.

Ninna · Jan 07, 2007, 09:01 PM // 21:01

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

I can't believe how someone would come up and say that Prophecies's Story is good.

Let's face it; It's FAR from good. And this is coming from the biggest fanboy you'll ever find. There're so many holes in the story. Why leave Ascalon? Did you leave because the prince told you so or you want to help Ascalon? Why didn't you return to Ascalon and help the king once Rurik is dead/You killed the Lich? (Leaving Ascalon because the place is ruined and there's no hope to survive there would be a BAD reason, story-wise, so please don't pull such stuff on me)

And don't even get me start with Rurik's death. So much for a prince and his fellowers, really.

I agree Prophecies had the worst story (and most creative at same time)

some notes
the Prophecies manual has 40 pages of game lore,
highly recommend reading it
http://www.guildwars.com/gameplay/manuals.php

- in the end movie of mission 4,
Rurik was banished from Ascalon by his Father. The King refuses to seek outside help and it makes sense to continue to journey with Rurik to find aid against the Charr threat.

- Kryta was the destination to find that help (Shiverpeaks was just along the way). It makes sense to goto Kryta because you had the Krytan ambassador providing assistance outside of Old Ascalon.

- this is where the story loses focus, you have the new menace of White Mantle and Charr are forgotten

- Ascension did have a purpose. You cannot see Muramites (The Unseen Ones) without being ascended. I believe Glint says this in the end movie of mission 19. This movie is easy to miss because it plays after you exit killing the Warrior boss and before you meet Glint.

Titan Quests were not added to the game until the Sorrow Furnace update, 6 months after release
- and its only a side quest, not main mission

Leaving the Charr threat out of the endgame goal made no sense.

KESKI · Jan 07, 2007, 09:18 PM // 21:18

oops, srry about the double

KESKI · Jan 07, 2007, 09:55 PM // 21:55

This is what I know about Prophocies, its the hand book info+ingame story+some of my filling in...so it might not be 100% right but shouldnt be too far off.

In the center of the story is not the player or the Lich King or even Ascalon for that matter, its the fulfil of the "Flameseeker's Prophocies"

The main goal of our hero are not fighting or rebuild the kingdom that is dangling on a cliff, but to fulfil our part in the prophocies.

However we dont know that in the start, all we know is that, we are soilders, and supporter of the Prince(players like it or not, in the story we do stand with the prince=P). During these time we, the char are aim for drive charr out of ascalon land(this is what the prince want, the king just want to keep what they have left and rebuild the wall to prevent further lose).

These change after the Noalin mission, the prince realize that it is a lost cost to keep fighting like that, and the people of Ascalon will not survive if the kingdom keep fighting like that(yes...the war must be super harsh that they dont even have the resorce and time to build 1 house in their capital...

). Prince seek help, from their old enemies in the first Guild War(human were at war themselves before the charr invaded). Of course, as a person who fought the first guild war, the king is against the idea...and he do believe Ascalon can resolve their own problem. So we get our a$$ kick out of our homeland.

Now to the North Shiverpeak. Well our goal is Kryta, cant realy use the boat, cause Ascalon dont have a port...Ascolon is surounded by land and mountain. Why didnt anyone make it to the crystal desert at the south?? Who knows...maybe forgeten jump out and kill them all.

The North Shiverpeak are at war, a civl war for that matter. All because some racsim stone summit dont like the King be friendly with human. And the moment we get in the Shiverpeak those stone summit want to kill us too

Now as a human, we know what to do

we kill what ever is in our way and be friend with whoever offer their help

Its too sad that prince sacrifice himself when we were so close to Kryta. And as a trusted soilder the responsibilities of helping out those who follows the prince lies on our shoulder now.(This is also when Devona's team ditch us and went to faction to solve the Shiro things....some hero they are

) We have to find a place for the refuges that follow us all this way, and this is where the White Mantral step in, they are currently incharge of Kryta(Kryta also have a king..but he never show his face....

) They offer us a place to settle if we help them with the undead problem they are having. After a few mission, we fitted in, and join them(where is my cool white armor??)

However when we travel to the west side of Kryta, we met with the resisdents "Shining Blade", those who oppose the White Mantral. They send us secret massage and warn us White Mantral were not what they claim to be. Soon enough we found out what White Mantral do with the chosens, which piss us off, "GOD FXXX DXXX IT, IT TOOK ME 6 TRIES TO SAVE ALL CHOSENS TO GET THAT BONUS, AND YOU ARE JUST GOING TO KILL THEM??

" This is where we lost it, forget the refuges in Kryta and kill one of the White Mantral Officer.

Now...we are in trouble, we are out power, most Kryta people dont support us, and we are in mid of no where. But there was hope, the great mage from the Old Orr(forget the name..and kind of lazy for wiki now) offer us help, if we bring him the scepter of orr. It does seems logical...it is the scepter of orr, and that guy is a mage from orr....doesnt seems like stealing

We also find out the Undead problem in Kryta is that Mages doing. But the White Mantral caught up with us and capture our friends. This is also where we heard the Flameseeker Prophocies, which lead us to crystal desert.

Wiki have everything...so I am going to stop now

Vandal2k6 · Jan 07, 2007, 10:04 PM // 22:04

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Originally Posted by Phenick

Ok I respect your opinions... Here is my understanding of the story in Prophecies up to where you are with a little I may have had to figure out on my own...

You are an ascelonian soldier who first needs to prove himself within the eyes of ascelon... In the process you come to side with the prince who wants to go over the shiverpeaks and seek help against the invading charr army from the people of Kryta now known as White Mantle... You have some trouble going over the mountains as you have to travel through the heat of a civil war... When Rurik dies your now to settle the ascelon refugees in kryta...

Here in my mind is a hint at some things they do not mention... It seems that Rurik may have known ahead of time that all the refugees including you are Chosen and are important in order to fulfill the flameseeker prophecies which is old and famous enough for any of them to know about...

So now your a high up soldier of ascelon in kryta where you need to gain the trust of the white mantle.... in the process you find that the undead are trying to kill the chosen so you get them back from, not the undead bu the shining blade... for the white mantle... as you chase the shining blade through the maguuma jungle(the chosen are ascelonians you are trying to save your own people) you find that the white mantle seek to sacrifice the chosen and the shining blade mean to save them...

now you are fighting t ostop the white mantle who you then find out are just puppets being used by the lich who is in cohorts with some crazy ass wizards called the mursaat... you also find out that you are the chosen and must travel to the crystal desert in search of a great power within yourself if you ever hope to stop the mursaat and the lich...

in the desert you do many things including ascending.... once you have gotten the power you need your next goal is to go help in the war in the shiver peaks as the white mantle have trapped the shining blade there and are going to take them out....

BOOM! Bang on the nail.

That's exactly as I saw the story too. Explained like this it's simple and straight forward. Makes total sense. Infact, it's like any blockbuster movie. I'd watch it anyhoo ...

birdfoot · Jan 07, 2007, 11:05 PM // 23:05

Hmmm, I found Prophecies storyline rather good, perhaps the cinematics left alot to be desired though. The only issue I have with it was that it didn't flow in a very direct manner and required you to pay attention to the main sequences of the storyline to make sense. Nightfall did a more direct approach with a pretty good storyline. Factions wasn't exactly crap to me but the cinematics (and the sequence with which storyline was revealed) and voice-acting really did me in for the entire experience.

All in all, Prophecies did present a reasonably good storyline albeit being rather unpolished. Nightfall did a more polished job but it's storyline isn't really anything more extraordinary than Propechies' for me and the latter did felt more epic. Factions had the potential but its story-telling execution was rather poor.

CagedinSanity · Jan 08, 2007, 02:01 AM // 02:01

I must agree, factions had a lot of potential but I find myself muting the sound everytime someone starts talking in a cutscene. Ew.

Markaedw · Jan 08, 2007, 02:36 AM // 02:36

the biggest problem with Prophecies is the availbility of doing the quest out of order, most people skip the jungle and miss out on why the mantle hate us now. And then there is Villany of Galrath, really hard and this guy says he doesn't trust the mantle, why?

They kind of solved that with Factions locking gates, but NF has it better, some quest just aren't available until you do an previous quest, so the story makes sense.

DrD · Jan 08, 2007, 02:48 AM // 02:48

Anyone else think this is a joke topic or this guy is a little dumb?

CagedinSanity · Jan 08, 2007, 02:55 AM // 02:55

No, it's a serious topic.

Did you read ANYTHING at all?

floppinghog · Jan 08, 2007, 05:25 AM // 05:25

I read, and its clear you never watched cutscenes. You know.. like use your eyes and ears, and get the total message not just stare at the "Skip>" button?

Steps Ascending · Jan 08, 2007, 05:59 AM // 05:59

Well Sanity I guess you've had enough people retelling the prophecy storyline so I won't had my voice to the chorus.

But I'll voice my vews about the campains:
Prophecy: somehow remind me of heavier books like the Lord of the Rings, the story is long and slow going, it takes its time. There are a lot of easy to overlook details(like rurik's banishment from ascalon that every one (including myself) seemed to have forgotten). It takes you every where and makes you go through a serie of prologues and twists. The continent is separated(ascalon, kryta, maguuma...) and each area has it's own personnal history/lore/place in the greater plot.
As to know if it is boring, I still like to go through it only to look for some small details, every mission has a point (accept maybe 2 or 3 of them and maybe the first 2 mishes, but I think they are there to get you used to the game). Compared to faction where some missions were just a stop in your travel (like minister Cho's Estate or Zen daijun) or quest that were just data-gathering/Fedex.

Nightfall : Haven't done it yet, after cursing 6 mounth about faction i'm starting to like it, go figure (maybe it's because the mass has moved to nightfall). Anyway the story seem rether simple, big bad god wanna Bing-Bam-Boum everything, so go and stop him. Sure it has the best PvE of all the GWs and will probably be the most fun of them all, but I'm afraid the main interest will be to tie up Trilogy 1. I doubt a newby would really apreciate the story without knowing chap 1. If a new player was starting, i'd sugest him to get NF and chap 1, start in prophecy and make a trip in nightfall to get the heros and level them in Tyria (just to clear up PUGs problems).

(note that i haven't finished it yet, as of this writing, I left for NF at tannhakai temple (not responsible for spelling mistakes in that name))
Now about Faction : i think you have to admit that the story is pretty much worthless. Basically:" Hello, you're out of training, a plague is killing every one. Investigate, find out the big-bad-boss behind it, harm yourself (of course the answer is deep in the factions' territory (the urn and the spear)). So you have them? Good, now FINAL BATTLE!!!" The End. The only point I see in it (aside from the assass/ritualist, don't know why but I seem to love them) is the Factions' lore. The whole Continent is worshipping the ancestors, death is omnipresent and wandering souls are coming with it. Kursicks use soul-bound wardens and I still don't know how the warturtles and land-ships are working (soul-bound technology maybe...). Flavour-wise Shing-Jea and Kaineng are just plain boring, a training isle (that i'm sure wasn't meant to hold lore so it is understandable) and an empire. The city-land was a good idea and I still wonder why I never tire of finding my way in there, but the way they used the concept just doesn't work it seems.

Somehow it's like a video game, it is harder to play along but once you can play it, it'S much more rewarding than others alternative. I've never been good at FPS and I'm worse than anyone with CounterStrike, the game is just too hard (or too realistic) for me to get going. By the way you write I take it you prefer fast-paced action over a deeper plot (I know that was obvious, no need to remind me!). Fair game! just like my little brother find Fable's storyline interesting while I consider the game a waste of time.

By the way, I don't mean the last paragraph as an insult, let's just call it a parallel between the two situation.

Vahn Roi · Jan 08, 2007, 02:40 PM // 14:40

Passing judgment on a game you haven't even finished? For shame. Everything before ascension is busy work, it gets fun once you get to the Southern Shiverpeaks.